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Thank you, Kevin.  Your link actually goes to the original Very Gentle Introduction. I remember a number of comments from people who really liked it.  I tested the Dropbox html again, and it worked. So I don’t know what is or is not happening there.



From: "TEI (Text Encoding Initiative) public discussion list" <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Kevin Hawkins <[log in to unmask]>
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Date: Monday, September 10, 2018 at 7:42 AM
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The Dropbox link doesn't work for me, but there's a locally archived version of this available at http://www.tei-c.org/Vault/Tutorials/mueller-index.htm<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.tei-2Dc.org_Vault_Tutorials_mueller-2Dindex.htm&d=DwMFaQ&c=yHlS04HhBraes5BQ9ueu5zKhE7rtNXt_d012z2PA6ws&r=rG8zxOdssqSzDRz4x1GLlmLOW60xyVXydxwnJZpkxbk&m=WoNMagOQ13hMmU8JM4Num55HDsCuZQrt9OGV-KfKzE4&s=mRN2aFhiv54MsP6hjLQB1P_WJ5TRNF4oZkXqCayugyk&e=> (and linked from http://www.tei-c.org/support/learn/teach-yourself-tei/<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.tei-2Dc.org_support_learn_teach-2Dyourself-2Dtei_&d=DwMFaQ&c=yHlS04HhBraes5BQ9ueu5zKhE7rtNXt_d012z2PA6ws&r=rG8zxOdssqSzDRz4x1GLlmLOW60xyVXydxwnJZpkxbk&m=WoNMagOQ13hMmU8JM4Num55HDsCuZQrt9OGV-KfKzE4&s=3XBVJxeTWM7H9FHC8u78agwghholtoQxI_GmsDVdk6Q&e=> ).  --Kevin
On 9/9/18 10:11 PM, Martin Mueller wrote:
Quite a few years ago I wrote a “very gentle introduction to TEI” and a few years ago I incorporated parts of it in an Introduction to TEI Simple, which ended up as the TEI simplePrint schema. You can see a rather crudely formatted version of it at https://www.dropbox.com/s/bjhulc0czcedxtx/TEISimpleIntroduction.html?dl=0<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.dropbox.com_s_bjhulc0czcedxtx_TEISimpleIntroduction.html-3Fdl-3D0&d=DwMFaQ&c=yHlS04HhBraes5BQ9ueu5zKhE7rtNXt_d012z2PA6ws&r=rG8zxOdssqSzDRz4x1GLlmLOW60xyVXydxwnJZpkxbk&m=WoNMagOQ13hMmU8JM4Num55HDsCuZQrt9OGV-KfKzE4&s=V24B-hkexr_unRgO-xst3xiELfYA2HTDjRUYTXIZIEs&e=>. Its intended audience is scholars in Literature, History, or other disciplines who feel (rightly) that they really ought to know something about this, but don’t really want to find out.  So it may not do much from the person who comes from the IT end of the bridge and wonders what this text encoding fuss is all about.  It’s a very long and wobbly bridge.

I can’t quite refrain from adding that the TEI-Consortium, wonderful and helpful as it is in many ways ( and the listserv is a shining example) has never been very good at making this long and wobbly bridge easier to cross. On the other hand, like many difficult and useful tasks,  the doing of it is very boring.


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Hi,

In my last paper “A Qualitative Approach Using Digital Analyses for the Study of Action in Narrative Texts: KTU 1.1-6 from the Scribe ʾIlimilku of Ugarit as a Case Study” in a recent volume (Brill, July 2018), I tried to explain TEI and a few elements to neophytes (starts at p.163)—especially to non-digital practitioners. Thanks to Knowledge Unlatched award, it’s also in OA http://www.oapen.org/search?identifier=1000352;keyword=cyberresearch<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.oapen.org_search-3Fidentifier-3D1000352-3Bkeyword-3Dcyberresearch&d=DwMFaQ&c=yHlS04HhBraes5BQ9ueu5zKhE7rtNXt_d012z2PA6ws&r=rG8zxOdssqSzDRz4x1GLlmLOW60xyVXydxwnJZpkxbk&m=cXMakbQzhAzxJkJW2wafV6JUW4_eViTLYV42IWzuHPM&s=VZsW7R1DaPwbl_oaK4JTnoQQIaJ17PY7w-LLr0P48FQ&e=>

Maybe it can be helpful.

Best,
Vanessa

Le 9 sept. 2018 à 02:49, Susan Schreibman <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> a écrit :
The Introduction to Text Encoding and the TEI from #dariahTeach might be useful. It is available from

https://teach.dariah.eu/<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__teach.dariah.eu_&d=DwMFaQ&c=yHlS04HhBraes5BQ9ueu5zKhE7rtNXt_d012z2PA6ws&r=rG8zxOdssqSzDRz4x1GLlmLOW60xyVXydxwnJZpkxbk&m=cXMakbQzhAzxJkJW2wafV6JUW4_eViTLYV42IWzuHPM&s=jvgdPUzj1maPY1XT06oZ0T-h6zShcVD3LQmZym51lCY&e=>

and there are versions in English, French, and Hungarian

best

susan



On 08/09/2018 09:44, Kathryn Tomasek wrote:


Lou Burnard’s ebook is a quick read. Don’t know whether it’s right for this audience though.

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Topics of the day:

 1. Query on articles introducing TEI (2)

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Date:    Fri, 7 Sep 2018 17:59:10 +0100
From:    Peter Flynn <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
Subject: Re: Query on articles introducing TEI

On 07/09/18 04:04, Charles Muller wrote:> I just received the following
from a local IT guy who is thinking about
checking out the TEI conference next week:

Hello Charles,
Can you recommend a good article on explaining what TEI is, for people
who don't already know what it is? :-) I poked around the conference
website, then the tei-c.org<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__tei-2Dc.org&d=DwMFaQ&c=yHlS04HhBraes5BQ9ueu5zKhE7rtNXt_d012z2PA6ws&r=rG8zxOdssqSzDRz4x1GLlmLOW60xyVXydxwnJZpkxbk&m=cXMakbQzhAzxJkJW2wafV6JUW4_eViTLYV42IWzuHPM&s=zt9m2kddJeWc5zV5sNfmOkDwBHPuYfDjwHf97D4dsDA&e=> website. Then I started looking at the P5
spec, and now I feel like I've gone from descriptions that are too
high-level to too low-level!

I guess what I am trying to grasp is: why TEI? What is the problem it
solves, that <mainstream alternative> does not.
Good question. The Wikipedia article is good, but it doesn't directly
answer the second question, although the examples (prose, verse) provide
an indirect answer from which he may infer the Truth.

I gave him a brief response, comparing the flexibility and granularity
of TEI to LaTeX, relational databases, etc. Can anyone recommend some
appropriate articles?
_What does XML give the LaTeX user?_
https://tug.org/pracjourn/2005-2/flynn/flynn.pdf<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__tug.org_pracjourn_2005-2D2_flynn_flynn.pdf&d=DwMFaQ&c=yHlS04HhBraes5BQ9ueu5zKhE7rtNXt_d012z2PA6ws&r=rG8zxOdssqSzDRz4x1GLlmLOW60xyVXydxwnJZpkxbk&m=cXMakbQzhAzxJkJW2wafV6JUW4_eViTLYV42IWzuHPM&s=-mfctDEa_mq3eqLhJLFftHTh0hmdlj5Gx3L94fwRE_k&e=>

What I told my students was:

The problem it solves (IMNSHO) is IDENTITY. XML (and by extension, TEI,
and all the other vocabularies) lets you say unambiguously that this
bunch of characters is the title of this document, and that this bunch
of characters is the seventeenth paragraph in the third section of
chapter 5. It usually says nothing at all about what it looks like, only
that it exists, and this is what people call it.

(LaTeX, on the other hand, *could* be coerced into do that, but it's
much better storing your document in XML and using XSLT to turn it into
LaTeX when you want a formatted copy.)

Relational databases are, in a wild generalization, useless for storing
any quantity of running text bigger than a shopping list. But they are
excellent for RELATED tables and lists.

As your colleague is in IT, and I'm recently ex-IT support for TEI in my
institution, by all means tell him to email me if he wants to chat. If
he's going to support TEI, then the TEI Conference would be an ideal
place to start (it was an ACH meeting I went to where Lou and Michael
explained everything in fine detail that got me started).

///Peter

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Date:    Fri, 7 Sep 2018 12:30:00 -0500
From:    Kevin Hawkins <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
Subject: Re: Query on articles introducing TEI

For a local IT guy without any particular background in textual studies,
I would start with http://www.tei-c.org/support/learn/<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.tei-2Dc.org_support_learn_&d=DwMFaQ&c=yHlS04HhBraes5BQ9ueu5zKhE7rtNXt_d012z2PA6ws&r=rG8zxOdssqSzDRz4x1GLlmLOW60xyVXydxwnJZpkxbk&m=cXMakbQzhAzxJkJW2wafV6JUW4_eViTLYV42IWzuHPM&s=AcbHCuvPPv6tdMUBxV8nW3Jou88npsrKe0bwi88S0bQ&e=> -- in particular,
the "Introducing the TEI Guidelines" and then any relevant links under
"Generic tutorials on the "Teach Yourself TEI" page.  --Kevin

On 9/6/18 10:04 PM, Charles Muller wrote:
Colleagues,

I just received the following from a local IT guy who is thinking about
checking out the TEI conference next week:

Hello Charles,
Can you recommend a good article on explaining what TEI is, for people
who don't already know what it is? :-) I poked around the conference
website, then the tei-c.org<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__tei-2Dc.org&d=DwMFaQ&c=yHlS04HhBraes5BQ9ueu5zKhE7rtNXt_d012z2PA6ws&r=rG8zxOdssqSzDRz4x1GLlmLOW60xyVXydxwnJZpkxbk&m=cXMakbQzhAzxJkJW2wafV6JUW4_eViTLYV42IWzuHPM&s=zt9m2kddJeWc5zV5sNfmOkDwBHPuYfDjwHf97D4dsDA&e=> website. Then I started looking at the P5
spec, and now I feel like I've gone from descriptions that are too
high-level to too low-level!

I guess what I am trying to grasp is: why TEI? What is the problem it
solves, that <mainstream alternative> does not.
I gave him a brief response, comparing the flexibility and granularity
of TEI to Latex, relational databases, etc. Can anyone recommend some
appropriate articles?

Regards,

Chuck

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