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Dear Christian (and Thomas and Antonio),
The ticket that Thomas is referencing seems to be resolved, so it may help to look at the section on FRBR in the latest release of Best Practices for TEI in Libraries:
 http://www.tei-c.org/SIG/Libraries/teiinlibraries/4.0.0/bptl-driver.html#frbr 

Antonio's solution seems an elegant way to encode relationships--I'd tend to find relatedItem preferable to encoding a separate listRelation. Would it also help to apply @level on the <title> element for the entries that are members of an anthology or larger collection? 

Cheers,
Elisa

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On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 5:29 AM Antonio Rojas Castro <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Hi Christian,

I would use <bibl> for each of the FRBR entities with a @type (“work”, “expression”, “manifestation”, “item”) and link them using <relatedItem> with @type (“realizationOf”, “embodimentOf”, etc.). I think what really maters are the properties that you allow in each <bibl> (from more abstract to more concrete and physical). 

See a couple of examples of work, expression and manifestation below - I have not included an example of item, but it could have, for instance, information on signature or marginalia found in a single document. 

The only problem with this approach is complexity… :)

I  hope this helps you.

Best,

  <!-- WORK LEVEL -->
            <bibl type="work" xml:id="work_00001">
               <title>Alpen</title>
            </bibl>

            <!-- EXPRESSION LEVEL -->
            <!-- German Expression -->
            <bibl type="expression" xml:id="expression_00001" xml:lang="de">
               <title>Alpen</title>
               <date when="1732"/>
               <relatedItem type="realizationOf">
                  <ref target="#work_00001"/>
               </relatedItem>
            </bibl>

            <!-- French Expression by Tscharner  -->
            <bibl type="expression" xml:id="expression_00002" xml:lang="fr">
               <title>Les Alpes</title>
               <date when="1749"/>
               <relatedItem type="realizationOf">
                  <ref target="#work_00001"/>
               </relatedItem>
            </bibl>


  <!-- MANIFESTATION LEVEL -->
            <!-- German Manifestation as part of Gedichte (1st Edition) -->
            <biblStruct type="manifestation" xml:id="publication_14966">
               <analytic>
                  <author ref="person_01200"/>
                  <title level="a">Alpen</title>
               </analytic>
               <monogr>
                  <title type="label">*Gedichte (1732)</title>
                  <title level="m">Versuch schweizerischer Gedichten ...</title>
                  <imprint>
                     <pubPlace ref="place_00319"/>
                     <publisher>Niclaus Emanuel Haller</publisher>
                     <date type="publication" when="1732"/>
                     <biblScope>[6], 103 S.</biblScope>
                  </imprint>
               </monogr>
               <note type="illustrationen">Titelvign., Vign.</note>
               <note type="format"></note>
               <relatedItem type=embodimentOf">
                  <ref target="#expression_00001"/>
               </relatedItem>
            </biblStruct>


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Post-doctoral Researcher, Cologne Center for eHumanities
Editor, The Programming Historian en español

De: Thomas Staecker <[log in to unmask]>
Responder: Thomas Staecker <[log in to unmask]>
Filtrar por fecha: 5 de enero de 2019 at 10:15:45
Para: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
Asunto:  Re: Bibliographic list of texts and editions

Christian,
intuitivly I would say that <bibl>is not meant to  refer to the work level, but the manifestation‘s. If this is the case one had to repeat <bibl> for each „edition“. The element <edition> just qualifies this edition. I havn’t it checked yet if and how the changes that came with the introduction of RDA (the bibliographic rules that adopt the FRBR concept) are alredy addressed in the TEI. As far as I know there is actually no agreed way to signify the work level, but most people I know use workarounds. Some discussion seem to have taken place here: https://github.com/kshawkin/Best-Practices-for-TEI-in-Libraries/issues/64 relating to work that is underway. 
Best
Thomas

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Am 05.01.2019 um 07:56 schrieb Christian Wittern <[log in to unmask]>:

Dear TEI users,

For a list of editions and related bibliographic information, I am contemplating to use TEI. My plan was to use the <bibl> element (within a <listBibl>) to record information pertaining to all editions of a given text, and then have within a <edition> element more specific bibliographic information about that edition. From a look at the allowed elements within <edition>, it seems that this is not one of the intended use cases here.  So my question to the collective wisdom of this list is:  What is the recommended way of achieving this?

I did look at <relatedItem> and considered it not quite appropriate for my use case, since I want to group the main bibliographic information in the <bibl> element and not repeat it for all editions.  In FRBR terms, I would want to record the "work/expression" in the <bibl> and the "manifestation" in the <edition> element.  If this is not appropriate, what else would be?

This might exemplify what I am up to (ignore the Chinese if necessary)

            <bibl xmlns="http://www.tei-c.org/ns/1.0" xml:id="KR5a0001">
                <title>靈寶無量度人上品妙經</title>
                <edition n="SJB">【正統道藏・三家本】
                    <!-- more information about the edition here -->
                </edition>
                <edition n="ZHDZ" >【中華道藏】
                    <!-- more information about the edition here -->
                </edition>
            </bibl>

One additional question that needs to be addressed is that I want to give a sigle for the edition (e.g. SJB) and a human readable string that says more about this edition (【正統道藏・三家本】 in this example).

Also, in many cases the information will refer to a specific span of pages in a anthology of texts, so another way to do this could be to separately encode all these texts in the anthology where appropriate and only reference them here

Any advice is much appreciated,

All the best,

Christian