[log in to unmask] [log in to unmask] http://adam.cheshire.net/~jjbowks/index.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -----Original Message----- >From: Bruce R. Gilson <[log in to unmask]> >To: Multiple recipients of list NOVIAL <[log in to unmask]> >Date: Monday, February 23, 1998 12:11 AM >Subject: Re: Assorted Novial observations >Jay, you don't seem to understand how much disgust I feel when someone comes >into a project that is nearly complete, after 2 years of work, and tries to >tell us, "go back to square 1. You're doing it all wrong." > ***I don't feel Marcos came on the list and said you're doing it all wrong, I feel he came on the list with the same ideas he'd expressed in Auxlang. I feel that he expressed fears that decisions the group has done might end up opening a way to bring criticism on our revision of Novial. If you notice his posts, some of the ideas he mentioned I had already brought the attention of the group to bear upon. Namely the substantive endings, the -tion words, the -r on the verb, etc. I don't feel I'm doing it all wrong. >Marcos had TWO reasonable options. He could come on here recognizing what we >have been working on for two years, and accepting the rule that once a decis- >ion is made it is final unless a majority agrees to _discuss_ it. Or he could, >which would make more sense for some differing as much from our direction as >he does, choose to come here as an observer, building his own language, and >communicating with us on those things we can discuss profitably. > ***Marcos opted to come here and mention his concerns to the list. I feel he has a lot to offer in the way of fresh input, and by the way things have been going on the Novial-Liste my feeling is that the more varied opinions we have the more a hearty language will develop. Agreement and understanding are the building blocks that Jespersen used. A lesson that we would all do well to keep in mind. >He has none neither. He has taken the position that _he_ knows what is right. >That everything we've done for two years was a big mistake. And that none of >_our_ feelings matter. > ***I don't think this is the way Marcos made himself understood. I think you are reading this into it, and I think your feelings are getting the best of you. >I don't think, with an attitude like this, he can contribute to this project. >I think he is destroying it. And when I see something we have worked on for >two years going up in flames, yes, I'll shout. I'm sorry, Jay, but you are >primarily an Interlinguan. You haven't _really_ put your heart into this >project. You don't KNOW how I feel about this. > Bruce R. Gilson ***Don't brandish a term like "Interlinguan" as if it were a species from StarTrek or Babylon5, Bruce... if I don't know how you feel about this situation... to start screaming at someone to accept things as they are and shut up or get out... it certainly sounds to me like you're a Romulan like I'm an "Interlinguan". ***How can what has taken two years go up in flames because a better alternative has been found to a problem. If you are really sincere about the majority voting to make decisions then you should not be afraid to accept the vote. If you are threatening to leave the group because the vote does not go your way, then how is this an example that it is the group that decides and not you alone as you've mentioned so many times. ***The business at hand should be to find the best solutions to the problems we agree to find in Novial and to proceed in a manner that represents the best solution to the most people. If a certain solution creates more problems than it solves then we should reconsider. One does not finish the road taken if one realizes it will never take him to the destination he aims for. Better it would be to turn around and adjust the course accordingly. Exactly who is driving this bus? If we are all in this together then let's agree to work together. Since, Jay B.