On Fri, 20 Nov 1998, Nik Taylor wrote: > charles wrote: > > I've been thinking of using active and passive participles > > to replace all prepositions. Is that possible in natlangs? > > Explain what your mean by this. If you mean forms like "concerning" in > English, then you'd simply be creating new prepositions. Prepositions as a separate part-of-speech are my target to eliminate; e.g. intrumental case "by/with a knife" can be turned into "using a knife", as in a serial verb constructions. But SVC can be too vague, so I tried the Vorlin-style "transitive adverbs" which seem to work better (more precise than SVC). So far, so good ... But I notice I hardly use the participles anymore. So I am tempted to merge participles with more productive "transitive adverbs". One less part-of-speech. The pattern would be (is currently) something like: root+"o" ... plain old noun/primary root+"a" ... plain old adjective/secondary root+"i" ... infinitive verb/secondary root+"e" ... plain old adverb/tertiary root+"u" ... was preposition, now not used root+"ie" ... transitive adverb/preposition root+"ue" ... same, but passivized root+"ia" ... active participle, not much used root+"ua" ... passive participle So what I'd like to do is merge "-ie" into "-ia". It seems plausible but I'd feel better if some natlang provides a parallel usage. > However, it is > possible to eliminate prepositions (altho there are no known natlangs > with *no* adpositions, there's usually at least 1 or 2 words that can > only be called adpositions) with verbs and nouns. For example, instead > of "he went up the hill", "he climbed the hill", thus incorporating > direction with the verb. Better examples, "he went top of-the-hill" > (i.e., genetive, if you have one). In fact, this is often the origin of > adpositions. Words like "top" lose their nominal/verbal quality and > become purely adpositional, but there are languages with only one or two > generic prepositions, it's just that that's probably only a temporary > condition, after a while, noun/verb phrases evolve into full-blown > adpositions. I use "top" as a plain adverb, which either takes an adverbial ending "-e" or gets prefixed onto the verb. Adverbs can be compounded or separated freely, but my problem is with the prepositions in their role of verb-like phrase initiators. By saving a part-of-speech vowel ending, I could start thinking of an animate/inanimate or a concrete/abstract noun gender system ... but can participles be prepositions?