Luccaso wrote:
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>Data: 8 grudnia 1998 02:28
>Temat: Re: Conpunct
>>By the time you get to the point where the voice would be
>>rising, you would be close enough to see the question mark at
>>the end...
>i do not know english enough, but can't you ask:
>SHOPS are open?
>not only:
>shops are OPEN?
>or even:
>(i don't belive any of your words :) )
>with rising on every word

You can't have a rising tone on every word. You are confusing two
things here; stress and intonation. They are not the same.

Of course you can place sentence level stress almost anywhere in the
sentence to make certain words more prominent and important. But the
type of intonation remains the same. The syllable with the
significant pitch change occurs on the nucleus (tonic syllable) of
the sentence.

For the purpose of clarification and analysis, English tone unit in
sentences has the following internal organisation:

(pre-head) head nucleus (tail)

The nucleus is the central element in a tone unit. It contains the
syllable in an utterence which undergoes significant pitch movement.
I guess that is why it is sometimes referred to as the tonic
syllable. The nucleus is preceded by the head. The head is the tone
unit extending from the first stressed syllable to the syllable
immediately preceding the nucleus. Optionally, the head can be
preceded by the pre-head. This consists of any unstressed syllables
that occur in front of the first stressed syllable. again,
optionally, the nucleus can be followed by a tail. The tail contains
any syllables (which may or may not be stressed) following the tonic

Pitch is normally low in the pre-head, and more or less level high
in the head. It is the nucleus that can have falling or rising tone
depending on the type of sentence (e.g., statements, Imperatives,
WH-questions, YES/NO questions, etc.).

The change of the location of sentence level stress which you talk
about occurs in marked instances where the nucleus is moved. In your

shops are OPEN? - this is the unmarked form where the head (or tonic
syllable) is found on the first syllable of the word "open" since
this is the most stressed syllable of this sentence. That is "o-" is
the head and the tail is the syllable "-pen". So the syllable "o-"
has the rising tone, while the syllable "-pen" has the high tone.

SHOPS are open? - this is the marked form where the head (or tonic
syllable) is moved to the first syllable (the first word). Thus, the
syllable "shops" bears the rising tone while the tail "are open"
maintains a high level tone on all remaining syllables. This is the
intonation you'd use if you didn't believe any of my words. Note
that in this example, the head and the nucleus are essentially on
the same syllable.

Your last example where a rising tone occurs in every word is not
possible. It would at least sound highly irregular.
>note that we can't figure out, about what author of the sentence
>have asked...
>so maybe we should write:
>?shops? are open.
>shops are ?open?
>?shops are open?

I'd still defend using one punctuation in unmarked circumstances.
The unmarked intonation has the nucleus at the end of the word. So
by the time we need to make an intonation change, we'd be able to
see the punctuation mark. As for marked circumstances, that's
another story. But I still don't think punctuation marks of the
Spanish type is necessary for English. Like I posted a while back,
sentence types (and thereby intonation type) can be seen from their
structure (first word, word order, etc.).

-Kristian- 8-)