At 10:16 pm -0800 8/3/99, Sally Caves wrote: >Dear Ray, > >Forget Orin... >More fruitful than finding loopholes in a thesis you haven't >read <G> would be to help me find a term for a >construction that I am tentatively calling the >"aptitive gerundial." You very generously helped me decide >on terms for the passive and progressive gerundial, and I >thank you for that effort eight months ago! Your learning is >very helpful on this list. I came up with the potentive, and >as you may recall (but I don't expect you to), Ah, but I do remember :) >these are >adjectival constructions in Teonaht that use the gerund: > >POTENTIVE: to kwecyrem, "for cooking," "cookable.." > commanco to kwecyrem, "a cookable feast." >PASSIVE: tsob kwecyrem, "under cooking," > "cooked/being cooked." > commanco tsobkwecyrem, "a feast being cooked." >PROGRESSIVE: bom kwecyrem, "with cooking," "cooking." > Bomkwecyrem al nantry, "my mother (is) cooking. > Or: Li kwecyvar bomkwecyrem, "the cooking cook." >APTITIVE: (?) om kwecyrem, "of cooking," "cookative," > concocting, given to cooking, culinary, always in the kitchen." > Li gwenda om kwecyrem, "the domestic girl." > >It has a habitual sense to it, but "habituative" didn't seem quite right. >The term needs to express the sense given in our -ive endings: >tendency towards, aptitude towards, given to doing something. >No one has said that the Aptitive is inapt, nobody has said that it's apt. >Have I just coined a new word? AFAIK yes, you have coined a new word. I've even checked to see if 'aptiuus' might have existed in Latin: it's not attested :) Presumably it would be a derivatived from 'apere' (to join). >Or is there one out there that is used >to describe a tendency towards something? The inclinative? AFAIK 'inclinative' is not attested in English, tho 'inclinatory' is. But I find that in Latin the adjective 'inclinatiuus' was a grammatical term meaning "enclitic", which is not what we want here. Two possible words come to mind: PROCLIVITATIVE <-- Latin 'procliuitas' (gen: procliuitatis) = "a tendency toward(s)", a disposition, proneness, propensity". On the downside, the word is rather long. PROPENSIVE <-- Latin Latin adj. 'propensus' = "with an inclination to, disposed toward(s), prone to". I think I prefer the latter. >One more request: Since you live near the place, Well, within 150 miles. Yes, yes, I know that in the US that's considered almost living next door :) >maybe you could >answer a question I posed to your Brethenig/Kernu/ConCeltic list >that was met with stone-cold silence: Where can I get a common >sticker--Rwyn Caru Cymru--with a "heart" where the "caru" is, >for my new car? The old sticker, weathering rain and snow and >salt dust for twelve years, went the way of the old car. I don't know - but I still have connexion with Wales & visit occasionally. I'll make enquiries. > >I would even jump for a Welsh dragon. Who wouldn't? Ray.