Another reason why gamers are rarely female - and rarely non-white? Many RPGers start with a group of high school or middle school friends; most scifi fans in the past were white males; high school groups tend to be sex-segregated. I know my own experience was that in high school, even though my friends and I tried to get others - male and female - interested in RPGs, many were afraid they would lose points in the endless status-games of late-middle to early-high school. As I recall, being a teenager is like suddenly finding yourself a chimp in the zoo - you smell, you are suddenly hairy, and your entire world revolves around trying to get status and fame so you can score. The bit about scoring may be under the surface, but it's the prime mover, and loss of status is feared like nothing else. Death is worse than loss of community regard. Being not normal - ie. weird - directly equals being low-status for all but the lucky few; how then did people respond to RPGing and scifi? They may even say they are interested, but they all backed out. Low status is contagious, and they didn't want to be associated with the long-term scifi fans. By the time senior year rolls around, many people have matured out of this status-freak stage and may be more willing to say "I don't care what others think, this is interesting," but by then they are busy with senior year and so set in their ways they aren't thinking about taking up a new hobby - and freshman year in college is when the status-game begins again ... *sigh* BB ********* "You know what I blame this on the breakdown of? Society!!" - Moe, "The Simpsons" Everyone thinks I'm psychotic, except for my friends deep inside the earth. Only 289 shopping days left before the end of the world.