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Okay... You having once again ignored the comment, let me restate it:
*even if* occidental is comprehensible, without a word-list/dictionary
people can never be sure if they do really understand it properly.
 
If someone asks You for a word-list or a dictionary, You telling them
they can learn Occ. without it is wasting their time.  If You can't
provide them with what is requested, You say "I don't have it"
 
Get it?  Why not provide an occ. dictionary?  What about people
who want to become convinced that Occ. is worthwhile to learn?
Looking at a dictionary might be somewhat persuasive...
But, I do not see people getting turned off from learning Occ. as a
big tragedy--I thought You might though.
 
And if You do not want to talk to anyone who has a full cup, Occ.
is doomed to failure.  As far as languages go, everybody does have
a full cup.  Most other IAL enthusiasts succeed in convincing others
simply by making it easy for others to make their own judgement.
Ever thought of trying?
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert J. Petry, C.L. <[log in to unmask]>
To: Multiple recipients of list AUXLANG <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 1999 4:27 PM
Subject: Re: Reasons tolearnplanlingvoj?(estis:Re:TaketheEsperantoChallenge)
 
 
> Paul O Bartlett wrote:
>
> > [kut]
> >
> >     I do not see the circumstances of children and adults as entirely
> > parallel.  I have a hard time comprehending this resistance to making
> > vocabularies available.  Yes, given enough time and effort, some
> > (please note) adults may learn Occidental somewhat as children do, but
> > why is it so objectionable to make things easier for most adults and
> > provide them vocabularies, especially for the "grammatical stickum"
> > words?  I sometimes *think* I may understand much of an Occidental
> > text, but I am never quite sure.  I simply do not concur with your
> > opinion that "this is how Occidental is learned the easiest," but you
> > seem to be taking the position that those who disagree with you you
> > willl merely ignore, even if with other consideration they might be
> > "converts to the cause."
>
> Its the principle I am talking about, not actually comparing adults with
children or vice
> versa.
> I'm not taking the position to ignore the people who disagree with me. I
take the position
> that folks are ignoring and not trying any of my suggestions, but respond
immediately on
> their past experience with other languages. Therefore, I cannot give
anything to anyone
> who already has a full cup. If they already "know better" then there is
nothing else I can
> say. So, I don't try to give further information to an already resistive
mind.
>
> Cordialmen,
> Bob, x+O~
>